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Jenn aSide
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Posted - 2016.07.25 13:00:47 -
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Dibz wrote:What can a solo hauler do in this situation to counter the threat posed by gate campers?
Some things people could do:
-MWD Cloak Trick works fine.
- You can Hull Tank a T1 hauler to an outrageous level now.
-You should be double wrapping cargo in anything that isn't a blockade runner
- Train for Blockade Runner.
- Use Tanked DSP with MJD.
-THINK
Of course there are more than 2 kinds of people, but for the purpose of this discussion, there really are only 2 kinds of people:
Folks who come in to a situation, get beaten by people who know more than they do, then say to themselves "OK, there is a knowledge deficit here, what do I need to learn to avoid this happening again?".
And
Folks like the OP, who come into a situation, get beaten by people who know more than they do, then run to the highest authority they can find and claim to be a victim of some gross injustice that can only be fixed with heavy intervention from that authority. The bad thing is that sometimes that authority (in this case, CCP) sometimes does given in just to make the 'victims' go away...which other victim types see...which creates more victim types...
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Jenn aSide
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Posted - 2016.07.25 14:09:55 -
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Nana Skalski wrote:Ima Wreckyou wrote:Nana Skalski wrote:..if you see this in that light, as real life model, let these criminals in game prisons for some time, that would be a quick way of getting rid of them. How about 15min? What about ban on high sec for one month, gates would not let you in. CONCORD pods you and you wake up in prison colony in low sec. Cant jump clone to high.
Yep, that sure does sound like fun in a game that is supposed to be dangerous all the time.
I have a better idea, how about people learn to play (surviving, and thwarting the schemes of those who want to kill you is a big part of the game) rather than trying to figure out how to get CCP to punish people who spent the time to learn how to play?
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Jenn aSide
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Posted - 2016.07.25 14:10:46 -
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Ralph King-Griffin wrote:Nana Skalski wrote:Ima Wreckyou wrote:Nana Skalski wrote:..if you see this in that light, as real life model, let these criminals in game prisons for some time, that would be a quick way of getting rid of them. How about 15min? What abo0ut ban on high sec for one month CONCORD pods you and you wake up in prison colony in low sec. You were literaly just told by a dev that your safety is your responsibility, and that tje punative measures taken here are in excess of irl. Sit down love.
Highlighted the problematic (for some people) word there.
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Jenn aSide
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Posted - 2016.07.25 14:23:50 -
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Lucy Lollipops wrote:After I read developers answers like the one above I think they deserve to lose every single hisec miner/social/pve player, I would be extremely curious to see what would happen to this game.
I think developers really deserve it.
I'm a miner and a social player and a pve player. Why would CCP lose me because someone at CCP explained the nature of the game to people who are obviously clueless?
Most of us who are PVE focused understand the pvp nature of the game, and embrace it, and even use it (nothing is better than using NPCs to kill a pvp player who is trying to kill you while you pvp, I've done so doing Guristas MAZE and Angel Cartel Naval Shipyard).
That folks like you can't get with the program is a personal issue, not one involving all pve players. CCp is treating us just fine, they give us tools to screw with pvp nerds all day long.
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Jenn aSide
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Posted - 2016.07.25 14:29:22 -
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Ralph King-Griffin wrote:Lucy Lollipops wrote:After I read developers answers like the one above I think they deserve to lose every single hisec miner/social/pve player, I would be extremely curious to see what would happen to this game.
I think developers really deserve it. Oh so its the devs fault that you cant reconcile with eves nature now? Grow up.
There are always people like that, most of the arguments had on this forum is with people who can't (as you say) "reconcile with eves nature".
We can tell them all day that this is their problem, we can show them how we (those who can accept what the game is) are way happier day to day than they are, and how we enjoy the game more and consider it time and money well spent. But that won't change a thing, because the problem is so deeply with them (ie they are the kind of people who can't really be happy with anything) that no outside perspective can help them.
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Jenn aSide
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Posted - 2016.07.25 14:31:44 -
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Lucy Lollipops wrote: racist way.
Dude, Hisec is not a RACE. Even is it was, High Sec Lives still wouldn't matter...
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Jenn aSide
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Posted - 2016.07.25 14:50:31 -
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Nana Skalski wrote:I will call this particular chauvinism, a CCPnism. Sounds somewhat like syphilis. 
Chauvinism? Again, how is understanding the game, and accepting that as individuals it is our personal responsibility to keep our selves safe some form of "chauvinism"?
Why would you choose to play EVE if you don't even like what EVE is?
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Jenn aSide
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Posted - 2016.07.25 15:21:00 -
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Nana Skalski wrote:Let ganker gank another ganker for fun for all eternity. \o/
In low sec.
And there it is!
Don't play the way you like, play the way (and in the place) that Nana Skalski prefers you to play. The "playstyle chauvinism" you claimed existed does exist, only it comes from you, not the gankers. You revealed your self with your comment, you are against a totally legal and valid playstyle.
Even when I did play in High Sec, I didn't expect others to stop playing their way because I didn't like it. I knew that it was on me to take care that they didn't kill me. |
Jenn aSide
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Posted - 2016.07.25 15:27:32 -
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Nana Skalski wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:Nana Skalski wrote:Let ganker gank another ganker for fun for all eternity. \o/
In low sec. And there it is. Don't play the way you like, play the way (and in the place) that Nana Skalski prefers you to play. The "playstyle chauvinism" you claimed existed does exist, only it comes from you, not the gankers. You revealed your self with your comment, you are against a totally legal and valid playstyle. Even when i did play in High Sec, I didn't expect others to stop playing their way because I didn't like it. I knew that it was on me to take care that they didn't kill me. Not chauvinism at all, compromise. They will play like they want, only change will be where. Gankers will gank, carebears will care, averyone happy.  '
So, your idea of "compromise" if you get what you want and the people you don't like get screwed? Sounds a whole lot lie something a guy we all know would say. A guy whose name Starts with T...
...And suitibly ends with "Rump".
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Jenn aSide
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Posted - 2016.07.25 16:09:23 -
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Skettis Arthie wrote:
Comparision between real-(life|law) and eve is stupid at best, eve is a game and it should be fun and satisfying for gamers who play it.
And it is, for people who find what it offers enjoyable. For me, when I lived in high sec, that was PVEing (mission running mostly) while not dying to gankers, baiters and can-flippers. THAT is the game for PVE focused players, PVEing despite opposition.
The real problem is that you have people who think that they should be able to play a game (that was built with minimal protections for players vs other players) in total peace and safety. It's the belief people like that (like you) have that is wrong, not the game's mechanics.
If you don't find EVE fun, rather than trying to make it unfun for the rest of us (game changes aimed at Gankers don't diminish their fun, but it sure takes the fun out of it for those of us that never asked for any help to combat gankers), consider either adapting to the game as it is, or finding another game. |
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Jenn aSide
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Posted - 2016.07.25 16:14:20 -
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Skettis Arthie wrote:
If I'm in the mood, I could easily buy 100 catalysts and ship them to systems surrounding rookie systems and just pop the new players like flyes and still be in order with EULA and station services. That would cost me just around 200M isk which is ... very affordable to do it daily without any issues.
BTW, you should do this. If you did, you'd actually be helping the newbros and player retention.
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Jenn aSide
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Posted - 2016.07.25 16:26:19 -
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Ralph King-Griffin wrote: eve puts your safety in your hands.
That's exactly what they don't like, while at the same time that is the exact draw of this game for people like me and you.
It's why there can be no compromise. Either EVE rewards knowledge, a sense of personal responsibility and willingness to learn, or it does not. There is and can be no in-between that "makes everyone happy". |
Jenn aSide
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Posted - 2016.07.25 16:51:36 -
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Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Skettis Arthie wrote:Eve is a game and it should be fun and satisfying for gamers who play it. It is, for those of us that enjoy it. I don't enjoy World of Warcraft, I don't like the mechanics, I don't find it to be fun or satisfying, thus I don't play it; I also don't lobby Blizzard to change their game so that I can enjoy it, because that would be selfish and a giant middle finger to the people that do enjoy it.
But but but, I pay 15 bucks, Im a customer and the fact that lots of other people exist and are also customers means nothing to me! CCP should give me what I want (total safety and freedom from the consequences of my own choices!), because, again, 15 bucks. I don't care if what I want goes against the game and would probably lead to it's destruction.
(Did I paraphrase the other side's argument well enough here, or do I need to add more snark and self-delusion???)  |
Jenn aSide
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Posted - 2016.07.25 17:45:49 -
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William Aiderone wrote:Sonya Corvinus wrote:William Aiderone wrote:Thats pretty much how I played the game as well for the 8 months I was subbed. It was great. I have no issues with that what so ever. And yes pvpers in lowsec are great, we allways said gf and sometimes gave eachother tips n tricks. I wouldn't want to change that part at all, as far as I can see it's a great system. That is not what I'm talking about though... It's 100% the same thing as what you're talking about. My entire point was the community is only toxic to entitled clueless new people who don't want to learn from vets. In pretty much all other MMOs I have played I have been heavily PvE. Adjusting to the fact that PvP is everywhere (yes, including HS) is a learning curve. Get over the curve instead of asking CCP to change the game. That's the point. So when five of out five of my friends decide to quit eve partly due to bad mechanics there can't be any improvements to the game/new player experience without killing eve and when I'm giving feedback about this issue I'm entitled and clueless?
Answer: yes
I've had more friends than that try eve and quit. What I learned is that EVE just wasn't for them. There is nothing wrong with that.
What is wrong is the idea that something is wrong with the game rather to the real truth, which is that this kind of thing just won't appeal to many people...and things that DO appeal to many people tend to suck.
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Jenn aSide
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Posted - 2016.07.25 18:26:18 -
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MidnightWyvern wrote:These threads are cancer.
Has everyone in the gaming community just lost any interest in danger? In excitement? I've been jumped on gates and lost more than the OP and the salt just made me hungry for blood. In some cases I even managed to kill them back using my Kill Rights, and that made it feel worthwhile.
I mean, Elite: Dangerous community made a Private Group called Mobius that kicks anyone who attempts to PvP, and their membership is in the tens of THOUSANDS.
What is with this modern mindset of "lay me in the no-PvP cradle and rock me to sleep while singing lullabies"? How is that in any way fun?
Without the ever-present risk of ganks I'd just be bored. Danger = Excitement = FUN.
Welcome to the modern "no stress" Western World. Aka The fall of Rome Mk II. |
Jenn aSide
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Posted - 2016.07.25 18:30:39 -
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William Aiderone wrote:Is it that far fetched that this is probably causing a lot of players to quit, who could've loved eve for it's awesome pvp?
If they couldn't stand the loss of some ship, what makes you think they'd like pvp? |
Jenn aSide
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Posted - 2016.07.25 19:47:46 -
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Teckos Pech wrote:Vincent Athena wrote:CCP Falcon wrote:
I don't see the logic in CONCORD being anything more than a deterrent, the same way as any real world law enforcement agency operates. They're punitive rather than than proactive in their law enforcement, just the same as real world law works.
That IS NOT the way real world law enforcement is set up. What do you think all those TSA agents are doing at airports? They are not providing consequences for blowing up an aircraft, they are there to stop it from happening in the first place. Even in game you have done so many changes that make ganking harder; increased hit points for freighters, faster CONCORD response times, and so on. CCP has been a little proactive against ganking. CONCORD is also proactive in that it does not allow capital ships into high sec. Well, just to add something regarding police and RL (I know this is a game...still, this might surprise some). Here in the U.S. the police do NOT have to help anyone. That is in fact, the law. Warren v. District of Columbia. The ruling in that case was that the police do not have to provide police service to citizens. In essence, IRL, the police are under no obligation to help you in anyway (if you live in the U.S.). In game, CONCORD will always show up (if you are in HS and under a war dec) and make sure to burn the aggressor's ship down.
This is not accurate as far as law enforcement is concerned. In the United States a law enforcement agency owes general duty to the public rather than to individuals unless special circumstances arise (for example, if I arrest someone, that is a special circumstance, I have to protect them from harm, at least till i turn them over to the jail).
People misunderstand Warren v DC all the time so you are not alone. The case means yes police have to help the general public, no police are not your personal bodyguards.
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